Last three questions, then we're wrapping this up. Unless people object, I'll resolve in the following way in ~48 hours:

• Gay sex

  • I plan to resolve this one to YES, despite it being at 1%.

  • A handjob is clearly a sexual rather than romantic activity. It was clearly gay. It was clearly in a sexual context. Claude 3.7 (explicitly prompted "what about a handjob?") and ChaGPT 4.5 (unprompted) seem to find it fairly unambiguous.

• Red fighter wins the fight

  • If this was resolved on screen, I missed/forgot about it. Will resolve NO per current percentage, unless anyone objects.

  • Might be good if someone wanted to confirm if it's due to Red didn't explicitly win, or because Red lost.

• Tim Ratliff takes his scheduled flight home

  • I plan to resolve this to N/A ...

  • ... or if not I'm leaning NO. There's no way to know at what point he would get taken by authorities (even though I would suspect once touching US soil), but it could very well be in Bangkok/at airport. We definitely haven't seen on screen that this happens though. That this is at 99% very much surprises me, so people can feel free to state their case.

@HenriThunberg I think N/A on Tim taking his flight home is best, they never explicitly said/showed what Tim does after the boat ride

@Jessef0226 Agree that N/A is best. When I wrote this, I didn't intend to require that the flight be depicted on screen, so I understand how others would have interpreted this as a likely YES

@MitiSaksena All alive

@HenriThunberg my case for yes: there's 4 bodies in the water, the bodyguards, Rick and Chelsea.

Rick is faceup and the body in ep1 is facedown

Chelsea has a different colour dress, and is also close to Rick so we would see them both if it was her

The floating body has hair so it can't be the bald bodyguard

By a process of elimination it has to be the hairy bodyguard

@Odoacre This is about the best picture you can get, agreed? Ugh, it's very hard to make out most anything. But I do buy your reasoning, and colors/hair wise it seems like the best match too. Will resolve this to YES in a day or two unless someone disagrees.

@HenriThunberg Lochlan said he saw god after drinking the laced shake

@Odoacre Yup, +1

@Odoacre that wasn't a psychedelic drug though

@shankypanky I think I'm with Stefanie on this one. Seems more like a plain near-death experience rather than something psychedelic. Are psychedelic effects of the fruit mentioned? That could make me lean more in favor. I also don't think there's any other indication of Lochy being intoxicated.

@HenriThunberg it was always just talked about as a fruit with seeds that could kill you, and that some people used for ending their own life. he did see monklike figures in the swimming near death fantasy, but that was just an elucidation of him nearly crossing over so to speak. one of those "I saw the light" sort of things.

@shankypanky of all people to take the paw paw fruit 100% have been observed to have hallucinations. It's clearly has psychedelic effects

@Odoacre did someone say that's the case? (it wasn't pawpaw but I understand what you're saying otherwise. I just don't recall that being a thing in the show at all?)

@shankypanky no they don't talk about it, and the fruit is made up. But that what we observed

@Odoacre lol it's not made up what are you talking about

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/07/dining/white-lotus-pong-pong-fruit-suicide-tree.html

pawpaw is also a real fruit. the point is, the option says "psychedelic drug" and even if he hallucinated as a side effect from something not posed as a psychedelic drug (which I maintain he didn't, it was a near death experience illustrated with the pool scene), if it wasn't posed as a psychedelic it shouldn't count.

@shankypanky oh! I sincerely thought it was a made up fruit, sorry!

Since the Wikipedia page does not mention any psychotropic effects I think I have to concede this point

@Odoacre I think the made up part might be that a resort would have a suicide tree just planted around a guest villa, but I guess it's not like the flesh will kill you and blending up the seeds doesn't seem like something most people would just randomly do. lots of seeds have cyanide in them obv but not at a lethal dose afaik

@Predictor fine by you to resolve this to NO?

I resolved everything I think was obvious, and closed the question (so that people don't trade based on absence of resolution, or on arguments made).

Any case you want to make should be made in the next few days.

I for one am kind of skeptical about

1. Are Gaitok and Mook really something like a couple? I feel like they're very volatile between absolute friend zone and going on dates. But we haven't even seen a kiss yet? So despite her being very impressed with his new role, I think there's actually not concrete evidence of them being romantic. Last they talked (on screen) about going on a second date, she said "we'll see", hardly a couple.

2. We don't count handy as gay sex then? If a guy goes to a glory hole and gets a hand job from a man, wouldn't that count as gay sex?

3. Are we positive the body guards are not technically hotel employees? They stayed with Sritala when husband was gone, and the hotel seems to be her main gig.

4. I guess I'll let Ratliff flying home resolve YES, but it certainly doesn't happen on screen and it's all very ambiguous what happens from there. Just as much as something like "Ratliff gets imprisoned" doesn't happen but is the default trajectory we're on, we could only assume but not know that he gets on that flight. Arguments for/against from others, please?

5. I'd resolve the three religion questions as NO, unless anyone objects. Didn't Zion get something wrong in the first episode by the shrine? Could be worth checking out.

I'll also aim at N/Aing the Season 4 questions, asking people to take it to the below market so we can close this one.

/HenriThunberg/white-lotus-season-4-mega-independe

Further thoughts or objections?

@HenriThunberg re 5: I agree. It was just that brief scene in the first episode, but in my opinion not enough to count.

1. I'm OK to resolve them as a happy couple, based on the below interview. But I can't say I like it, for my boi Gaitok.

   

   
   
   

heads up traders: I have a market for speculating on the location of the S4 White Lotus Resort:

/shankypanky/in-what-country-will-white-lotus-se

@HenriThunberg have you watched yet? start closing?

@shankypanky SPOILER ALERT if you haven’t watched yet…..I’m curious to hear what your opinion is on this question? I would argue YES because Tim brought the poison seeds into the house and used the blender to make drinks in an attempt to murder his family while committing suicide in the process. However; he had a change of heart and disposed of the drinks but forgot about the blender which Lochlan uses the leftovers in the morning to make a protein drink leading him to collapse by the pool and almost dying.

@ReeMARKable lol spoiler alerts don't work when push notifications contain the whole message 😂 (there's a "spoiler" option for text btw - not sure if they fixed the issue of the details showing on push notifs or not)

I would have bet it higher but I don't know how Henri will resolve, but doing a little search, I feel confident that poisoning a family member leading to vomiting, losing consciousness for some time, and even having "near death" hallucinations counts as an injury. I don't like to resolve to LLM consensus but I asked for an unbiased opinion and detailed the circumstances, and got a similar answer to my general belief here.

@shankypanky Haha oops. Thanks, I will remember that in the future.